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DERMOT MURNAGHAN: Let’s start by taking a look through the Sunday newspapers, I’m joined by Labour’s Emily Thornberry, the Shadow Employment Minister, James Cleverly who is one of the new intake of Conservative MPs and Lorraine Candy, the editor of Elle magazine, a very good morning to you all.  Emily, let’s start with the Observer front page, climate change, the historic deal that’s been hailed coming out of Paris.

EMILY THORNBERRY: I think this is fantastic news but I think the truth is, as Stern says, this is an opportunity, it isn’t an end in itself, I think that’s the problem and I think sometimes politicians run away with the rhetoric and think ‘Oh it’s fine, we’ve got a deal, we don’t have to do anything more’ and to a certain extent you get that from Cameron a little bit where he says he have solved the problems of the world.  Well we haven’t, we’ve just got a plan now but you have to stick to it so I think he needs to, if he really wants to do the right thing, he needs to think again about cutting subsidies to onshore wind and all the things which he’s doing at the moment, just to think again because as part of the deal if we’re going to cut our carbon emissions, Britain has to play its part.

DM: James Cleverly, Britain is playing its part, we’ve got a Climate Change Act from the previous Labour administration but there’s legally binding targets within that, do you think Britain is playing its part?

JAMES CLEVERLY: We are one of the leading voices in this whole agenda and it’s easy to be critical when you don’t agree with how a political party or how a government is moving towards an agenda, people say not only do I want you to get to this end point but I want you to do it in the way that I would do it if I were in government and Conservatives are making different choices to other political parties.

EMILY THORNBERRY: So what are you going to do, what are you doing then?  If you are going to get rid of solar power, you’re going to get rid of onshore wind, you are getting rid of …

JAMES CLEVERLY: We’re not getting rid of solar power.

EMILY THORNBERRY: Well you are certainly getting rid of the carbon capture which is another thing which was a Labour policy so you are getting rid of all of those, what are you going to do instead?

JAMES CLEVERLY: What we’re looking to do is to make sure all these emerging technologies actually stack up financially because one thing we do know is that if something is reliant on subsidy indefinitely, it’s not going to be robust and it’s about making sure that these alternative energy technologies can stand on their own two feet, actually make sense and …

DM: You’re talking about making sure the lights don’t go off.

JAMES CLEVERLY: It’s always about making sure the lights don’t go off but it’s also making sure that the lights don’t go off and we don’t break the bank in doing it.

EMILY THORNBERRY: But it’s also about jobs.  I’ve got a friend who works in the solar industry and he’s going to lose his job in March because the subsidies have been cut and his company have just said, sorry, our business is going to go down and you are going to have to be first out the door.   I think it’s interesting how you honed in on recycling because actually although recycling is a good thing it doesn’t actually change the amount of carbon that we emit so it isn’t primarily the biggest thing that people should do.  It’s something that people know is a green thing to do.  

DM: It’s about awareness as much as anything.  I’ll be discussing this a lot more during the course of the programme but let’s go on trawling through the papers.  James, your take on Donald Trump and some of his weird and wonderful, I was going to say hairstyles but pronouncements as well.

JAMES CLEVERLY: He is the gift that keeps on giving isn’t he?  Emily had some of his quotes.

EMILY THORNBERRY: I couldn’t help it, I mean just look at this, this is on page 18 of the Sun.  ‘The wit and wisdom of Donald Trump’.  He says ‘We will have so much winning if I get elected, you may get bored with winning’ he says, as if.  ‘If Ivana weren’t my daughter perhaps I’d be dating her’.  

DM: Oh, a bit weird.  

EMILY THORNBERRY: Really weird, how about this one?  ‘My fingers are long and beautiful as, as has been well documented, are various other parts of my body’.  I mean I can’t believe it!

DM: His arms presumably.  But he is doing pretty well in the polls.

JAMES CLEVERLY: Those quotes are funny and that’s great.  Some of the things that he’s been saying recently are just really quite obscene and he is now picking a fight with the Saudi royal family and there are a range of views on Saudi Arabia but they are a really important regional and global player and the person who is hoping to be the President of the United States of America, throwing out these very, very insulting derogatory comments about Muslims in general and the Saudis in particular and what really worries me is according to the Sunday Express, support pours in for Trump after rant against Muslims.  There has always been through history a tradition of populist divide and conquer political rhetoric and it never, ever, ever ends well and it genuinely worries me.

DM: Interesting.  

EMILY THORNBERRY: [Story about working mothers] I think if you read the Mail and you’re a mother, you will always feel guilty.  I think most mothers feel guilty and the Daily Mail is constantly running stories about how impossible it is to work and to be a proper mother and some of the other [break in recording] … as mothers we always feel guilty and the most important thing is to not judge other women and to let women make their own choices which are appropriate for their own family. I don't think there is any one way which is the right way.

DM: Emily, you have another Strictly story, the Strictly love curse.

EMILY THORNBERRY: Well I saw this and I thought, oh and started reading it but unfortunately it is only the romances we already know.  What we want to know is what are the romances this year.  Of course we do, that’s why we watch it!  But it doesn’t say anything about those which is disappointing so it just leaves us to continue to speculate.  

DM: James, so many issues about the police, you picked this out of the Sunday Times.

JAMES CLEVERLY: Yes, this is about multi-tier recruitment of police officers which is a horrible term but that basically means that a new initiative is coming in where you don’t have to join the police as a police constable, you can come in as Inspector, which is one of the managerial officer grades.  Now the armed forces have done this since the dawn of time, they’ve always had two-tier entry and the police are now experimenting with that.  There are a number of reasons why this has been on the agenda for a while, one of which is about getting greater diversity into senior ranks of the police.  You mentioned you can’t be what you don’t see and actually to encourage more women, more people from ethnic minorities coming into the police force, it would be very useful to have senior representation of that type.  The counter-argument of course is that time on the beat, on the street, teaches you stuff and there are strong arguments in both directions.  I welcome this but it is one of these things that the implementation has to be got right, it’s really important they get that right otherwise it would be very easy for grassroots police officers to lose confidence in their management.

EMILY THORNBERRY: Didn’t the Met used to have a graduate scheme where you had to start on the beat but you got accelerated promotion so at least you had your two years on the beat first.  

DM: They were also talking about only having graduates joining the police force as well and I’ve got Sir Hugh Orde, former head of ACPO, coming on and I’ll put some of those points to him.  Let’s crack on, Gogglebox for kids.  James, you were nodding along with that description of David Cameron …

EMILY THORNBERRY: How about the Prime Minister should dress as a Disney heroine?

JAMES CLEVERLY: That would certainly get headlines, I think his media advisors might take note of that.

DM: Emily, you’ve got a story about former Shadow Business Secretary Chuka Umunna in the Mirror.

EMILY THORNBERRY: Oh yes, well I think it’s essentially what to do about the Sports Personality of the Year and whether they should have Tyson Fury on the shortlist for that.  The definitely is the name, it’s personality, it isn’t just about sporting achievements and frankly some of the things that he’s said about women and about gay people is not the personality you want to have on television I don't think.  Talking as a personality, who knows what he would say if he did win?  How are they going to control him, what sort of stuff is he going to say?  I don’t understand why he’s ended up on the shortlist given his personality and the sorts of things that he says which is just hateful frankly.

DM: If it weren’t called personality, do you think he should be there because of his sporting achievements in spite of what he says?

EMILY THORNBERRY: If it’s sporting achievement I think that’s different but I think there is a real problem with sports personality and all the publicity that has been given to some of the horrible things that he’s said about gay people and women.  

DM: It may not be an aspect of his personality that people particularly like but he is certainly displaying plenty of it.  Where are you on it James?

JAMES CLEVERLY: I think we are going to get agreement on this, if it were just about sporting achievement that would be one thing but it is about sports personality and that implies something more than just sporting prowess although I think sometimes we shouldn’t be surprised when high profile sports people turn out not necessarily to be the most thoughtful and wise people in the world because that’s not what they became famous for but I do think if we are then, separate to their sporting achievement, are going to reward them in a more holistic sense then we do have to take the broader spectrum of their personality into account  and I can’t see how this person could be seen to be a great role model in sport.

DM: Unanimous there.  We’re out of time, thank you all very much indeed.