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DERMOT MURNAGHAN: Let’s start by taking a look through the top stories in today’s Sunday papers.  I’m joined by the Conservative MP and Vote Leave supporter, Nadine Dorries; Jo Swinson the Lib Dem who was a Business Minister in the coalition government of course and the Barrister and Labour Peer, Baroness Helena Kennedy, a very good morning to you all.  Nadine, a letter from Michael Gove and Boris Johnson fronting the Sunday Telegraph and more return fire already this morning from Sir John Major.

NADINE DORRIES: Yes, it’s interesting this letter because it’s written by Michael Gove and Boris Johnson and it says to the voters the top line is that you cannot trust David Cameron and George Osborne to honour their promises on Europe.  Now anyone who knows Michael Gove knows Michael will let a million mistakes pass by before he would criticise anybody and the fact that he has written this letter I think is pretty significant and actually asks a wider question, it points to a wider issue.  When you are the Prime Minister and George Osborne you have a responsibility, you have a responsibility to respect the public and you have a responsibility holding the highest office to tell the truth and I think the big sadness of this campaign, the Remain campaign, is that David Cameron and George Osborne have consistently and repeatedly lied to the British public and what they have done is they’ve treated the British public like idiots, almost like a pair of school bullies and I think that for Michael Gove and Boris to have got to this point, they have reached the end of their tether on the lies.  

DM: Is that what you think it is?  In that photograph and others they look like an alternative leadership team, do you see a Prime Minister and a Chancellor there?

NADINE DORRIES: Well I think the bigger question is, and we were talking about this a moment ago, it’s not so much the party or the party leadership but when as a Prime Minister in a completely unedifying way you have bullied the public and lied to the public and broken their trust, how do they trust you as a Prime Minister going forward?

DM: So you don’t believe that they are fit for office, if you are using the L word which as we know you can’t use the House of Commons, do Boris Johnson and Michael Gove look a better option?

NADINE DORRIES: Well they came out with a policy on Monday to remove VAT on heating bills, they came out with a policy on Tuesday to introduce an Australian type system for immigration which I wholeheartedly support.  If Brexit win, if we do leave the European Union, how does a Prime Minister who has both criticised those policies and campaigned against them introduce them when people will have voted for Brexit on the basis of those promises?  That’s the question.

DM: So these are alternative manifestos aren’t they?

NADINE DORRIES: Well that is the question.  

HELENA KENNEDY: It really does sound like your party is absolute crisis, can your party recover whatever happens as a result of the referendum, do you think your party can recover and knit itself together again after this?

NADINE DORRIES: You know as well as I do, Helena, a week is a long time in politics and we’ve got a few weeks to go on this and then afterwards but I do think the bigger question is not my party, this is above party politics.  

[On Nigel Farage story on referendum and rape]
NADINE DORRIES: I don’t think we can actually ignore, it’s a disservice to the women of Cologne who were attacked on New Year’s Eve by groups of migrants so I don't think we can just dismiss it, I think we are doing those women a disservice, they were raped, they were attacked, they were sexually assaulted.

HELENA KENNEDY: Has it happened here?  Have we seen masses of people being attacked …?

NADINE DORRIES: I don't know, I have seen figures quoted, I don't know.  I would say that is probably not the best argument to put forward for Brexit, people are getting slightly carried away with the examples that they are highlighting, I think it’s one that we shouldn’t pay too much attention to but Nigel Farage as Kate Hoey and I just discussed, he is quite a decent chap, he has been savaged by the press on numerous occasions, he is a decent bloke, he is not a racist and…

DM: But is he wrong or is he right?

NADINE DORRIES: You know, I don't think any of us can say that, I don't think we know what the rape figures are when analysed …

[Story about far right groups infiltrating the Leave campaign]

NADINE DORRIES: I completely agree with Helena, it is unfortunate but the worst example of racism I think is our entering the European Union because what we do is we closed our doors to people across the world of colour and we’ve opened our doors and opened our borders to people in Europe and we’ve almost divided Europe and the rest of the world. I  think if you want an example of racism that’s the worst example.

[Story about mortgage rises if we leave Europe.]
NADINE DORRIES: Well it is just another bullying scare story and I would say to  people who are going to vote Remain, please take your information and your facts from elsewhere.  Here’s probably a fact which I think is more relevant is the fact not that mortgages will go up, there’s no basis for that, but the absolute fact that David Cameron’s negotiations gave away our economic veto, that the rest of Europe is a sinking economic ship, that the only country growing more financially is Antarctica and that we are going to have huge number of people coming here seeking work and we are going to be expected to pay money into Europe in the form of bail outs and in the way of assistance. That’s the economic sinking ship that we don’t want to be part of.  It’s based on what?  We don’t know what’s going to happen to the markets, we have no idea.  

[Story about Twitter racism about Harry Potter casting of black actress]
NADINE DORRIES: Why is anyone surprised that there is a dark side to Twitter and that women suffer from it?  Why is anyone surprised at that?  

DM:  Thank you all very much indeed for going through some of the stories in the papers today.